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Captain Castus
05-07-2008, 03:23 PM
Has anyone else noticed how little activity there's been from GW on the LotR front recently?

Yes, there's been the 5th Edition distraction, but... Has the phase-out begun?

CC

Hephesto
05-07-2008, 03:30 PM
It just got the new Mordor expansion adn GW has stated that they will continue to supprot the franchise even when/if the hobbit movie will come out.

Silver
05-07-2008, 04:06 PM
They've released waaaay too many expansions to simply ditch the whole thing, mate!

-Silver

Captain Castus
05-07-2008, 05:06 PM
Yeah... But only because they're contracted to... I'm sure they can't be making a profit from it and will try and make it a 'specialist game' (i.e. no support) as soon as they can... I can't see it lasting 25 years like WFB when the effect of the films wear off...

CC

Silver
05-07-2008, 05:58 PM
Well now that The Hobbit is coming out, GW's LoTR sales will get a money-fix. And the Silmarilion and the Children of Hurin also wait to be filmed...

-Silver

Hephesto
05-07-2008, 06:50 PM
Didn't GW say that LotR was making them a lott of money in their last year report?

kharn the betrayer
05-07-2008, 07:26 PM
LOTR makes more money the Warhammer Fantasy battle, they have said that a few times not 40k but Warhammer. I think that they will have to continue to support it if only to stop another company from releasing the models.

The worst thing for GW right now is the Hobbit film, they will make shedloads of money and forget that they need to address major problems with the company.

LOTR masked the fall in revenue the past few years. plus there is a lot of LOTR hate around, people see it as a toy wargame. I know people who will play the pirates and the wild west variations but won't touch LOTR ever.

There is still alot of milege in the old Hobbit yet, you know what they say old Hobbits dont die they just fade away!

Hephesto
05-07-2008, 07:33 PM
Well I've rather enjoyed the LotR hobby over the years, great minis and a fun scenario-based game. I can completely understand the hatred some people have against it though, it is taking something that used to be relatively underground, immortalize it on the white screen and start raping the public for a quick buck. However over the last few years GW has (in my humble opinion) done the LotR mythology credit with beautiful miniatures and good, though somewhat simple rules.

kharn the betrayer
05-07-2008, 07:39 PM
Apart from the numerous models of the same type.

Such as Frodo, Frodo nine fingers, Frodo picks his nose, Frodo get to carry the shield. You get the drift, it does seem that they are running out of ideas. Also the scale is different, that was dione for a reason.

Some of the models are fantastic and would grace any Warhammer army, even crusty GW haters admit the models are good. The prices are lower in some respects too. I think it will be a core game for some time to come.

Hephesto
05-07-2008, 07:44 PM
Very true, think I have 4 bloody Legolos minis around.....even as a LotR fan I absolutely hate the movie characterization of him and the subsequent minis. Funny enough the lotr stuff keeps getting better and better, plastic trolls, black numereans, wood elf troops etc. The only thing that has felt out of place for me is the rather big difference in height between plastic and pewter minis. For the forces od darkness it hardly matters, so what if that orc captain is a head above normal Orcs? For the good guys it is soemthing different, warriors of minis tirith are one size, citadel guard, rangers and warmachine crews are about a half head bigger. It just looks weird, then again that is the only real 'problem' I can find for the game ;)

Captain Castus
05-07-2008, 07:48 PM
Apart from the numerous models of the same type.
Such as Frodo, Frodo nine fingers, Frodo picks his nose, Frodo get to carry the shield.

My favourite was the limited edition 'invisible' Frodo! :D

CC

Silver
05-07-2008, 08:57 PM
My favourite was the limited edition 'invisible' Frodo! :D

CC

Frodo resting with his back leaned on a tree stump.

Frodo showing his ring to the nazgul (it would have been a cinematography genius-shot if he has worn it on his middle finger!)

etc. etc.

Warhammer9090
06-07-2008, 02:09 PM
I myself and several of my friends are avid fans and players of the LotR SBG, and we were discussing this same subject a few days ago. We were saying that it's a great game, but we agreed that we thought that the end of the game was approaching. I mean, sure, they can always make 'new' sculptings of models and release new supplements, but eventually they are going to run out of ideas. Thats the bad thing about LotR. If it was like Star Wars, a movie first, people could write many more stories and GW would have much more material to work with, but the books came out first, and that severely limits fanfic, ect, because Tolkein made a 'set' ending, which also limits GW options. I myself, although I LOATHE to admit it, must say that I think the end is nigh for the LotR SBG. :mad:

Skarfang
06-07-2008, 06:00 PM
i enjoyed playing it with some mates (shock horror!) a couple of years ago and i think the actual game system is really nice because its simple and offers almost a necromunda/mordheim style play where each model is a seperate character but you are able to play with large armies of em.

i think they should have just stopped and drawn the line with the three movie supplements (fellowship, two towers, and return of the king) because they keep going further and further away from the books tolkien wrote and are producing models of stuff he never even mentioned. i think they've made so many supplements that you start to think 'when will it stop?' where do they go now after this mordor release? will they re-do them all again? i hope not!

Your Conscience
06-07-2008, 09:52 PM
I also am not a huge fan of LOTR this is becasue at 1st when i was playing it i did really enjoy it because it told a story and therefore it was really intresting. However after a whle there was an increased amount of children who were playing this game and therefore very annoying because i had to keep explaining the rules and i had to keep track of all of the fate, will and might for them so they didnt cheat and bend the rules. Therefore this is the most annoying thing about LOTR because it means that more children play and i dislike it when i see poorley painted models and such things because i think that the models that are produced to b painted well or too the best of the ability and i personally dont like it when they arent. Now i know that this isnt there problem but i i just find it anoying with the increased ampount of children coming into my local GW that i find annoying.

Silver
06-07-2008, 10:12 PM
You know what? They "ran out of ideas" for Warhammer 40000 a long time ago as well. I mean - we have reached 999 M41 since the 90s. And still, the game is going. Why? Because they keep updating the rules.

Similarly, the can update LotR rules through a new rulebook. Besides, they haven't tackled Valinor yet. ;) Or any events of the Silmarillion for that matter.

Hope I didn't give them new ideas or - where's my money? :D

-Silver

Skarfang
07-07-2008, 05:45 PM
yeah silver but warhammer 40,000 is set in the 41st millenium - otherwise they'd have to rename it warhammer 41,000! the 40k background is so big compared to LotR and so much has yet to be done with it that i don't think they'll have run out of ideas for a long while yet.

Trygon
15-07-2008, 06:59 AM
Just to let you guys know GW CANNOT produce 28 mm miniatures for The Hobbit. The rights are taken by another company. That's why they did The Battle of Five Armies in Warmaster scale. Also their license is going to expire soon. The guys that make the LOTR games want to get it renewed but I highly doubt the company itself will follow this through due to them not being able to afford it anymore since there are just not enough people are buying their LOTR products. I remember once seeing staff at a GW puzzling over what to do with some of the LOTR models because they had too many left over boxes and had eaten up all their LOTR shelf space.

Skarfang
15-07-2008, 03:23 PM
they should send all the excess models back to nottingham and melt all the plastic and metal down to be used for some models that might actually sell!

SM's anyone?!

kharn the betrayer
15-07-2008, 08:09 PM
Hmmm I don't think they can afford to give up the franchise just yet. Have you seen the Share prices these days in GW....

Someone is offloading quite a few shares before the year financial announcements. So LOTR is here to stay for a while yet.

Google it and see what you think.

Marticus
11-09-2008, 02:05 PM
im expecting ridicule for this comment, but i dont think its that bad a system. The only problem i have with it, is as was mentioned earlier the amopunt of kids that play it compared to older grumpier gamers like me. My gaming friends turn their noses up at lotr claiming it to be a childrens version of warhammer and just rubbish in general. I dont think they will scrap it though, as these kids i mentioned before are the ones keeping it going, and gw do make some lovely models for it which are nice from a collectors point of view.

kharn the betrayer
22-09-2008, 08:43 AM
No one will ridicule you here, we are not that type of forum.

As a skirmish game LOTR is good, however like most skirmish games it doesn't take well to being scalled up.

The rules are sound and clean but the expansions have added too many special rules onto what is a good baseline.

As I said I enjoy the Wild West rules that are based on LOTR but only for about 10 figures a side maximium any more and it just breaks down.

The models are mostly good and I have been looking into some of them for a start back into ancients, DBM here I come again!