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grey_seer
02-09-2009, 11:25 AM
LORDS
grey seer 235
warpstone amulet 25
eye of the horned rat 25
HEROES
warlock engineer 45
warp blades 15
upgraded warp-energy condenser 10
supercharged warp-power accumalator 15
storm daemon 25 warlock engineer 45
warp blades 15
upgraded warp-energy condenser 10
supercharged warp-power accumalator 15 CORE 25 clanrats 125 full command 25
ratling gun 60
25 clanrats 125 full command 25
ratling gun 60
25 clanrats 125 full command 25
ratling gun 60
15 stormvermin 120
ratling gun 60
SPECIAL
4 rat ogres 200
10 jezzails 200
10 gutter runners(tunneling team) 120
RARE
warp-lightening cannon 100
warp-lightening cannon 100
TOTAL 2000 WHAT DO U THINK OF THIS ARMY?

Killer
02-09-2009, 01:07 PM
Well, my friend is an avid Skaven player. I play against them alot and so I learned a few things from him...

I think you need a dispell scroll.

I would split the Jezzails into two groups of 5.

I think (but only because I know what it feels like to play against it), that 4 ratling gus are a bit overkill! I would drop one and drop the Ratogres and put in a unit of 15 plague monks!

I would play such a small unit of stormvermin... They just would make it IMO, so I would drop them...

You DEFINITLY need slaves!!!! At least one unit for each unit of Clanrats! And if you have enough pts add more!

The Warplightning cannon is cute. CAN be destructive if the moon is full, and it is a Teusday, and you happen to be wearing red undies and green shoes, and your new neighbour's dog barks 3 times... But not reliable enough for the pts cost. I would drop at least one and add some Globies or PCB's to deal with those big nasties...

We also found that 2250pts is a better format to play... It takes the same time as 2000pts, but it gives you that extra oomph. It is also the standard pts limit for most tournaments... Think about it... :)

And lastly, wait till next month for the new Skaven armybook... Its going to be a KILLER! :D:p

There you have it... my two cents.

Happy hunting! ;)

grey_seer
03-09-2009, 05:10 PM
first of all.plauge monks suck!they have no armour,vunerable to heavy troops, heavy cavalry and monsters.
I'll replace a warp lightening cannon for some slaves and in 2250 i add more.
thirdly,my grey seer is too vulnerable for me to drop stormvermin,but in less pionts when i don't have a lord i agree.

i knew i forgot somthing.SLAVES!thanks.

GuinnessGremlin
03-09-2009, 06:03 PM
So have they invented Dwarven Mouse trap machines?

I mean it seems logical to me...

Scary rumors, bringing back the doomwheel! Your new book is well worth waiting for. As for the army list, I'm no skaven pro, but it looks scary.

AgnosticGod
03-09-2009, 07:06 PM
Based on my own list building there are a couple things wrong with the list. (and if I am mistaken please correct me as I am somewhat new to the Fantasy side of Warhammer.)

1. this is a 2000 point army, so no Lords are allowed anyway.

2. Only one rare unit at 2000 or below.

3. Take the slaves!! They are there to help your other units make it into combat relatively unscathed. Remember they are EXPENDABLE!

4. Plague Monks are your friend! with an incredible 4 attacks apiece that is some heavy hitting!

5. Jezzails are okay, but with the ratling guns you probably don't need them or at least as many of them.

6. Your Rat Ogres provide you the major punch so keep at least a couple of them.

Also, either take some giant rats or rat swarms as these are fast moving units that can get behind the lines quickly to deal with shooty and warmachines. I know you have the Tunnelers, but with their chance of wondering off and the randomness of when they do show you really need something to help as a back-up.

Finally, please take the individual point costs off of the items. Just put in the total cost of the unit with add-ons instead. GW is a stickler for this and we do not want our beloved site taken down because of it. Thank you!

AG

Killer
04-09-2009, 04:45 PM
Well,

1. 2000+ allows 1 Lord Choice

2. 2000+ have 2 Rare choices

3. Indeed! Slave are a must!

4. It depends on personal taste, but I also think that Plague Monks are VERY scary... And I'm a Chaos player!!! They dish out some heavy damage, and with T4 and Immune to Psychology, they arn't THAT vulnerable!

5. Jezzails are there to take out big nasties! They are very good!

6. Again... personal taste, but IMO and experience with and against them- they're useless!

Marticus
04-09-2009, 04:46 PM
dont forget to wite out individual points costs for items..... or it upsets GW please check the rules for that :)

gcsmith
04-09-2009, 05:38 PM
lol 2000 is average tournie In britian, warhammers home which have lords in them so :p he can have a lord

AgnosticGod
04-09-2009, 10:14 PM
Sweet. I have just been going out of the book which states you must have more than 2000 points to include a lord. As 2000 and 2001 are pretty close together I can see where it is viable to allow it.

AG

Marticus
04-09-2009, 10:39 PM
it syas in thr book armies that are up to 2000pts which could br 1994 for example still count as 2000 pt armies if thats the agreed totoal lord is allowed no worries

Carrelio
05-09-2009, 06:08 AM
A Lord is allowed in 2000 points end of story.
Now, onto the list!

SLAVES! You need slaves! They are like... the most useful 2 points per model you could ever spend! I always take at least 40 as cannon fodder and if they happen to beat a unit of archers (it's very easy when they line up in a straight line, thus not getting a rank bonus) in combat, that's just bonus! But I se that's already been addressed.

Plague monks really are excellent though. Frenzied with 2 hand weapons they are basically made to rip lighter enemies (basically enemy troop choices) apart! Not only that, but they will draw a lot less attention than your equally unarmoured rat ogres, and I've found they are usually more effective in a game.


Speaking of units I don't find effective... for the cost of those gutter runners... you could probably get something more useful for whatever purpose you have intended for them (you're planning to use them as war machine hunters and mage munchers right? Or are you going for a march blocker?) Maybe an assassin would be better suited for this job? Or skitter-leaping basically anything back to your enemies mostly undefended flank (with his warmachines and what not) often works much better. I see you do have a grey seer. You've also got the great range and ultra-punch of the jezzails. I say, you wont need the gutter runners.

So speaks Carrelio, player of Skavens since 1997 (I'd be such an old man if I wern't timeless).

Killer
05-09-2009, 09:32 AM
I totally agree with you Carellio!

I'm not so sure if the assasin is a viable option, but the rest is pretty much a must in my book... well, for now anyway...

Rumours that reached this end of the Dark Contenent whisper scary things of the book to come!....

Mainstay rule falling away; Plague Monks as core; a tunneling monster; not to mention the Doomwheel!... :eek:

Brace yourselves!...

grey_seer
05-09-2009, 11:28 AM
Ok, What about this one?

LORDS

grey seer 235 235
warpstone amulet 25 260
eye of the horned rat 25 285

HEROES

warlock engineer 45 330
condeser 10 340
accumulator 15 355
storm daemon 25 380

warlock engineer 45 425
condeser 10 435
accumulator 15 450
storm daemon 25 475

chieftain 45 520
heavy armour 6 526

CORE

15 stormvermin 200 726
shields 15 741
ratling gun 60 801
full command 25 826

25 clanrats 125 951
full command 25 976
ratling gun 60 1036

25 clanrats 125 1161
full command 25 1186
ratling gun 60 1246

30 slaves 60 1306

20 slaves 40 1346

special

5 jezzails 100 1446

5 jezzails 100 1546

4 rat ogres 200 1746

8 tunnellers 120 1866

RARE

warp-lightening cannon 100 1966

SPARE

WHOOOOOOPS! forgot the battle standard! 25 1991

+4 clanrat slaves 8 1999

I FORGOT THE +250!!!

20 night runners 100 2099

20 night runners 100 2199

5 poison wind globadiers 50 2249

grey_seer
05-09-2009, 11:32 AM
plague monks are too vunerable to enemy fire or magic.NO ARMOUR!i charged a unit of dark elf spearmen and i bounced and got killed!

Warlord CT
05-09-2009, 02:31 PM
not going to say what the rest said above like the slaves.. but if you take the rat swarm they can counter flying units who can be a pain in the ass when they ripp off your rank bonus. and you can put them with your ogres put the swarms in the ffront ogres on the flank and ur enemy likely to run somewhere soon.