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Ezio
28-07-2009, 02:38 AM
Hi everyone!
My friend and me were sitting today talking about the video games of Warhammer 40k and we got an idea of actually starting playing the miniature game, we first thought about making the terrain. So I'm asking, how, as a beginner, should I do to make the terrain? I mean from where I'll play to what stuff I need to use to color the hardboard, which I'll guess I'll use for the ground, (and don't get smart and say colors...) what kind and where should I buy, I would like to build a city surrounded by a forest, so what colors or other stuff should I use to create the urban area? What should I use to create the houses and what colors or other stuff should I use to make the city and the houses (and other buildings) look more Imperial/Space Marinish (LOL ><). Any ideas of how to create the banners? And last question, what paint brashes, knives and paints (in games workshop they have wash, foundation and the normals) should I use to paint and create the urban & forest terrain, the city's houses, buildings and banners and the other stuff?

And remember the colors, cause I mean, how should I paint the terrain, If you have a good idea of how to make the transfer from urban to forest and how to simply make it look urban/forest.

EDIT:
sorry, another question... any books that will help? And how can I make trees like this without wasting so much money?: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat390003&prodId=prod1095512

And last last last question: how can I make little hills?

Consadine
28-07-2009, 02:46 AM
Step 1: Don't buy GW terrain.

There, just saved you a lot of money. :p

Here's a link to our hobby article collection. Linky (http://www.astronomican.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9171)! There's a section for terrain, very useful stuff.

Easy Trees (http://www.stormthecastle.com/diorama/how-to-make-miniature-trees.htm) <--You're looking for the wire ones.

Books? Ha! Use the Internet (I know you're here, but I mean Google). Seriously. Include "tabletop gaming", "model railroads" and the like in your search queries. Edit: Here we go, I did a google search of "how to warhammer terrain" (without the quotation marks) and got this (http://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+warhammer+terrain&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a).

Here is a Terrain article (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=cat210004&categoryId=600004&section=&aId=6700002) from the GW website.

Ezio
28-07-2009, 03:11 AM
AUm.. Thanks :D but... I will also be shaping polystyrene and stuff so what knives should i use?
Is there any thing cheaper but close to:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat190011&prodId=prod840893
and
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat190011&prodId=prod109546

And for example, what did this guy use to create the grass?
http://www.stormthecastle.com/diorama/cemetary-diorama/cemetary-halloween-diorama.htm
http://www.stormthecastle.com/diorama/cemetary-diorama/cemetary-halloween-diorama.htm
should I buy the fake grass and rocks from GW?
How should I create urban scenery? And they don't tell what kind of paint I should use and what sizes of brushes I should use...

Consadine
28-07-2009, 03:25 AM
I personally use an X-acto knife as I know that the myriad of X-acto blades will fit. For example, I picked up some saw-toothed blades for my knife, and they work like a charm :D Oh, and it'll be cheaper than GW's hobby knife.

For the grass and such, since you're doing terrain, look into Woodland Scenics. You will get a lot more for a lot less. Go to the homepage (http://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics.com/index.cfm), then Products --> Terrain & Landscaping --> Ground Cover. For individual model bases, static grass seems to work...

Urban scenery... foamboard. Download Issue 5 of the Astro Mag (http://mag.astronomican.com/) and poke around in there for the foamboard buildings. That should give you a few buildings to start off with. Otherwise, experiment. If you're going to make multi-level buildings, make each level roughly 3" spaced so you can fit models in with relative ease. To get a bit of texture on your buildings and streets, mix in some sand with slightly watered down PVA glue (white Elmer's glue, buy wherever school supplies are sold). Apply with a large and old brush. Once this dries, spray on black primer (I think this will work. Do a test to see if the primer goes through the glue and melts the foam) or brush it on. Then basecoat with a mid-tone grey (you can save money by buying large tubes or black and white and just mixing. I picked up a Talons tube of black paint and it's just as good as Chaos Black in an easy squeeze tube :D) which corresponds to Codex Grey. Then drybrush with a bright grey, no idea what that would be in the Citadel line.

Here are some pictures from Captain Kellen, a member here on Astro, and his pretty terrain...

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn12/zilities/picture-1.jpg
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn12/zilities/picture.jpg

LAZtheinfamous
28-07-2009, 03:34 AM
To be honest, just to get a feel for it, order a pizza. Then cut and glue the box in different ways. That way you have;

A. A pizza.
B. Some beginning experience.
C. Some stuff to just play with until you get some good stuff done.

What you need, boxcutter, white glue (both available at a $1 store or whatever the local equilivant is) and a pizza. Eating the pizza is optional.

Then once you have a good idea of how to make the sizes and dimensions right (with the hardest to use material) then add in other stuff, like cereal box board for decorative bits. The key is to not go to far on the first go. Just keep building, you will get more audiacous and awe inspiring as you go.

Ezio
28-07-2009, 03:57 AM
LOL thanks guys :D Surely pizza is the best idea 'cause it is also tasty! :D Aum... what brush sizes should I use to paint the houses?

LAZtheinfamous
28-07-2009, 04:01 AM
Really, for that large of an area, skip the GW stuff. Go to a cheap craft store or even a dollar store, and get fairly big ones. Like 1/4 inch or so. While the GW large brushes are good, they are way over priced for what you need. Terrain brushes go to crap quick. Especially if you rough coat them.

Rough Coat; paint+sand.

Consadine
28-07-2009, 04:12 AM
Really, for that large of an area, skip the GW stuff. Go to a cheap craft store or even a dollar store, and get fairly big ones. Like 1/4 inch or so. While the GW large brushes are good, they are way over priced for what you need. Terrain brushes go to crap quick. Especially if you rough coat them.

He speaks the truth. I've got $1 brushes lasting longer than my GW one!

Ezio
28-07-2009, 04:12 AM
Aum... And I forgot the most important stuff, the paint, should I go with the thing you can buy in the stores, like normal paint or what other kinds I should buy?
So 1/4" for the terrain itself... OK, do you have any pics to show me stuff people created? Google doesn't like me today... I just need something that will explain what colors I need to use to make the forest scenery... You can give me the GW names? (like those "Wicked blue" and "Red gore"), and what painting technique should I use?

LAZtheinfamous
28-07-2009, 04:22 AM
Well, to be honest, again, sticking with the terrain idea, again, don't buy GW. You'd use it all up rather quickily. There's a bunch of companies that put out very similar stuff for cheaper. Such as Americana, Ceramcoat, and Apple Barrel. The Apples Barrel you can get at WalMart for about 75 cents. You get about twice as much as the GW stuff for a lot cheaper. HOWEVER! I give this warning, don't use it for the models. Many of the cheaper brands do not last long, often will fade (which is no big deal on terrain).

Though, as for specific colors, with terrain, it doesn't matter. Just get a couple shades of the stuff you'll be using a lot of. Light Grey, Medium Grey, Dark Grey, for example. Using and picking colors is something that comes easier with experience. Though as for the models themselves, get GW. It lasts longer, paints better, but is worth the price (others would argue this with me). Other companies can vary slightly per batch, GW is very consistant. Most of the GW shades you can find in other paints, but they won't quite match. Subtle difference.

Now if you are going to paint a full board, not just terrian, you MAY want to think about getting some cheap flat latex acrylic paint from a hardware store. Just take the paint you want as the base, and they can whip up a full gallon for like $5. Do not use this for models. Even if you do get the exact shade matched, wall paint doesn't work for models. Which we found out after painting the kids room in Ultramarine blue and Blood Red. Those first few ultramarines painted with wall paint were....best not spoken of...

grimdisco
28-07-2009, 06:42 AM
You can order a video form you local train hobby shop.
The maker of the video is scenic seines or something like that.
I got it a while back and it is full of useful info.
I think I payed 10 bucks for it.

Ezio
28-07-2009, 11:34 AM
Well... I live in Hungary (relocation) so there is no WalMart and other stuff, so I'll have to look closely, and I'm not sure if there are any hobby shops in Hungary as everything is in Hungarian and I don't know Hungarian, If anyone does know of one, I'll thank you so much!
BTW: Does any one know this site?
http://www.totalwargamer.co.uk/

Ultramarine blue and blood red? blue and red never goes well (it is like chaos and space-marines), take Tao Orange and Blood Red! :D or Necron Green and Orc Green :D